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We need one of these. Now, first of all, we've got to get WIGO at RW off the ground. We also need to establish rules for it. I suggest the WIGO at CP rules. Now, I suggest that we browse recent changes to find incidents. High levels of incident-ness would be at the Saloon Bar. --ConservapediaUndergroundResistor 21:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I also am possibly going to repeal the No editing of own article rule. Discuss below:

Contents 1 Rule against editing one's own article 2 Repeal 3 Bureaucrats 4 ACD 5 This bloody bureaucracy

[edit] Rule against editing one's own article

• Keep I favor keeping the rule against editing one's own article; removing it would be setting ourselves up for needless edit-warring. ListenerX^TalkerX 01:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Yeah, I really want to edit mine because nobody else will (damn you), but I don't because I think the rule is a good one to have in place. -Redback^Bites 02:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep I vote to keep the rule. Ace McWicked 04:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep - it's the only thing that keeps RWW "honest", you silly mandibulous overlord. human^{be in} 04:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
• Repeal It is the only way to save RationalWikiWiki by allowing people to write about themselves. Beside who knows you best? Remember CUR this is not a democracy, Nx left you in charge. 192.43.227.18 06:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

*Hem hem* 15:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

• Keep. People can write about themselves on their RW user page. They can write about themselves on their RWW user page. They can defend themselves on their RWW article talk page. There would be no point in having yet another page in the "RW family" in which people could write nice things about themselves. Criticism would disappear and every page could become either a battleground or a whitewash.--Bob M 08:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep or every page will be a whitewash and all the juicy goss will disappear. They all have their own page on RW anyway. Rrose Selavy 08:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
• KEEP. I had almost decided to give up on this place when RA/PH were imposing "their" will on it. If this goes through then I'm gone for good. What would be the point of people writing their own articles to report on themselves? The idea is farcical. Suppose Andy wanted to edit his article on RW? I wrote most of the original editor stubs here and they were meant to be irritating, slightly exaggerated, pointed criticisms which made people think about themselves. Take that away and you're left with, well, not much actually.--False Flag 15:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

As I pointed out below, I wasn't trying to allow people to edit article content, just to let them fix spelling and grammar. 15:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

• Keep. FF, I was fed up with people asking for minor fixes to grammar and code on the talk page; we only have a finite amount of time and editors. 15:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep for everyone except me - I need to get CUR out of my article. Fall down 19:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Probably is a good idea, now that I think about. --Arthropleura 19:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

• Needlessly prohibitive, but a good idea (sorry, but that's it in a nutshell) My article consists of two sentences. I feel that you should be able to expand your own article, but you do not have mastery over it- If someone does not like your edits, revert with no questions asked(Unless, of course, it's factual info- then keep). Theemperor 00:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

That was pretty much the way I felt as well. --Arthropleura 02:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

• Keep Although I've already edited my own article, as there as nothing there but the stalkbox, not knowing the rule was in place. Speakerface 14:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Repeal

I know you like the idea of having a play pen as much as I do CUR Crab-Thing/Millipede. It would keep you off the streets and out of trouble (though I think you should be on the streets and in trouble after all it was Mr. Boloaski that said "Boys and girls go out to play, on the busy motorway") however dont fuck with the classrics. Ace McWicked 04:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yes, Mr. Bolowski & his family... great folks. human^{be in} 01:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bureaucrats

CUR, we don't need six active bureaucrats here. I don't mean to suggest that the four you gave rights to were unworthy, merely that a tiny wiki like us doesn't need that many bureaucrats. @Human, Kcadber, Listener and Theemperor, you still have just as much say in site matters, just not the technical power. 04:53, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

That's so in case one of us leaves, the project can continue. --Arthropleura 13:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Damnit. That makes two times I've had 'crat rights revoked for some shit reason. Oh no, we have too many 'Crats, so I'm just going to remove their rights and ignore them. Theemperor 19:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

You have powah back. --Arthropleura 20:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Theemperor, I won't ignore anyone because they don't have 'crat powers. CUR, even in the unlikely event of both of us leaving Trent or Nx could make a new 'crat with server access. 21:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

And this way we won't have to bother them. Look, no harm can come of this. --Arthropleura 00:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't need to be a crat here, in fact, previous discussions support the argument that's not a good idea. I am far too "influential" or whatever on RW to be in the upper administration here as well. All I should have is the ability to help by blocking vandals if I run across them. human^{be in} 00:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

That's Trent, Nx, and me (if you ever get really desperate). My email is still enabled, I still have server access, and I still pay for and intend to continue to pay for the site's domain name. I may be effectively "gone" but I still have a personal and financial interest in seeing this site continue on. Hans Johnson _{I'll get my hans on it} 03:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Eheh, by the way, what's been going on since I left? I stopped paying attention after a while (though from this page I gather that Fall down is now a janitor/policeman, CUR is bureaucrat, I apparently drove False Flag away, and Phantom Hoover here is as ambitious as I was at RationalWiki). Hans Johnson _{I'll get my hans on it} 03:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Enthusiastic? I'm having a job kicking this lot into action. Essentially, Nx retired after everyone at RW did nothing when it was reported we were under attack, so he promoted CUR to take his place. CUR then promoted all and sundry, and then has generally been in the way since, requiring me to lock down the MediaWiki namespace. I'm currently thinking up a battle plan. 18:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I'm currently taking a crash course in Lisp for an argument with my computing teacher. 18:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ACD

Right, we need to get our priorities sorted out. I think we should:

• Improve our articles on users, having more analyses of their character and actions, rather than just factual information
• Get WIGO RW up and running
• Make more articles about RationalWiki's events and social dynamics
• Get as many users from RW interested in here again
• Convince FF and/or HJ to return

08:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree totally. I am official starting a task force who will go on commando missions to find information. --Arthropleura 19:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] This bloody bureaucracy

It has to end. We've been sitting here navel-gazing for several days when we should be resurrecting this place. I therefore propose a "holiday", to last three days, in which no edits will be made. After that, I'm in half a mind to ask Nx to lock down all the MediaWiki pages and restore them to their pre-CUR state, and demote Fall down back to holyroller (seriously, who the hell thought that he had proven himself trustworthy of Janitor and Police?). Thoughts? 07:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

No one's stopping you from improving this place if you want to. And I need my buttons ... Fall down 09:09, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Fall down, why don't you just go away? You don't "need" anything as far as I can see, except maybe a good slap upside the head. PH, no one cares enough to build this place. Wait, you're proposing a boycott of your own site? Weird. human^{be in} 07:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I like this site and have some ideas for it, what I don't have is time. Sadly, my so-called "real life" interferes when I'd rather spend time on wikis or other endeavors. I hope someone will keep it going though, and I'll add a bit here and there as I can. Refugee 06:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

and as far as 'crats, I had high hopes that CUR would devote his energies into doing something worthwhile here, but sadly, he seems to be only using it as a test site.. I miss Hans RA Johnson, Nx and FalseFlag, PhantomHoover is still trying to give RWW some life, Go PH! I wish I had time to help out more. Refugee 06:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying. It's not that easy, you try! --Arthropleura 19:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)