Talk:Loya Jirga

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Will this page basically cover the slew of HCMs involving the binning, unbinning, blocking and unblocking of MarcusCierco and footwarmers, culminating in the formation of the Loya Jirga (it looks like that's the way it's going now) and the associated change in RW policies? Broccoli 18:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I think this will be about the events of Saturday-ongoing. We can have a different article for the mess with MC. 18:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

(ec, then changed) OK, looking back, there was an HCM when MC was blocked. Then there was the RationalWiki Reform Society, the attempt to change policy so we could block MC and that HCM. Then someone sysopped him, and there was a minor HCM. Then the MC essays started, and then MC admitted to being a troll, deleted a few pages and was binned. Then some drunken idiot started a campaign to free MC and the whole wiki turned into a massive HCM. MC kept socking up and trolling pretty much at will, while the mob argued. Then we had another Debate:BlockMC, Nx started burning MC's edits and the wiki went mad again. Which of these bits need their own pages? Broccoli 18:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Ah, this place has a page on the Reform Society, and the Great MarcusCicero Blocking Incident, which includes the sysopping. So a page on the trolling admission, the binning and the 'free MC campaign' would be needed to span the gap between that and Loya Jirga. Broccoli 18:47, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Yep, and probably an umbrella page to help put the whole thing together. 18:49, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

This whole thing is just a mess. We're going to have our hands full figuring out what's going on. Theemperor 19:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Any idea what to call all this? Campaigns of MarcusCicero? Orations? The free MC thing needs a name, too. Broccoli 19:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

You seriously think it's a good idea to name this whole thing after MarcusCicero? Nine 19:20, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, he did start it. Broccoli 19:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

In much the same sense that rats started the Black Death. "Campaigns of MarcusCicero" is a flattering name. It suggests co-ordination and insight, and several other qualities that Marcus does not have. He isn't campaigning: he's throwing toys.

I would suggest "the End of MarcusCicero", if you really need dramatic name. Nine 19:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I liked the "MarcusCicero Wars", which doesn't imply planning to as great a degree. 19:33, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Given the origins of the Loya Jirga name, and rather poor quality of MCs trolling, perhaps it could be called the MarcusCicero Insurgency... --TheEgyptian 21:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe even drop the MarcusCicero part, and expand it to include issues with EL and TK's return. Perhaps "The Great Insurgency"? Theemperor 12:57, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Maybe another umbrella page, to cover all the recent HCMs, MC related or not. But the MarcusCicero Wars go all the way back to before the Great Pissing Contest. This is a guy who has been trolling an obscure wiki since December 2007. On the subject of what to call the recent bout of HCMs, the Great Insurgency sounds nice. What about the Glorious Revolution? Assuming anything on RationalWiki actually gets changed, that is. Broccoli 13:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Issues with Earthland? What issues? There was simply one "editor" who started a "debate" that was regarded by virtually all other editors as pathetic time-waisting joke, although Armondikov cited it later. --Earthland 14:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

The issue being that tempers got frayed to the point where someone tried to ban a harmless user. Broccoli 15:00, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

(UNDENT) The Glorious Insurgency perhaps? Sounds wonderfully.... Afghan...--TheEgyptian 21:33, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Thinking on it, I prefer the Great Insurgency. The page on the chaos that led to MC in the bin and the 'free MC' campaign needs a name, too. Broccoli 01:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Objection

My Wiki-break had nothing to do the HCM involving MC and the Loya Jirga. Rather, it had to do with the mini-HCM involving banning Earthland (and being attacked for it on my talkpage by some irrational atheist) combined with tons of real life shit. I would prefer that it be kept out of being a part of the MC shit, as, I assure you, that had nothing whatsoever to do my 3 day trip to Milwaukee. MNpunkboy 04:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I just grabbed everyone who had announced they were leaving from the WIGO. Broccoli 21:02, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Dead?

Should we declare this dead?--False Flag 18:11, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Only in as much as the fire department is "dead" if there are no fires to put out. RationalwikiwikiUndergroundResistor 18:15, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Well it only ever made one sort of decision. Nobody seems to have noticed the anniversary in Feb when, presumably new elections should have taken place. Finally one of its members has, sadly, passed away.--False Flag 18:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

It is long dead. Ty 18:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

It's true that there's never really been a case where it's been needed. It was only even brought in to decide on what to do with MC because he was a persistent asshole. And it never even managed to sort that out properly. It's a dumb idea and always was when you consider how RW "works". Even doing authority by committee was never going to be very effective because its rulings would either be a) very poorly communicated or b) outright ignored or c) both. Armondikov 18:53, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes. It is long dead. Night Film 19:04, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Then we should declare it so.--False Flag 12:52, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Dead, I suppose, like the Estates-General were in France after their dissolution in 1614; I venture to predict the next time the trolls attack, the Loya Jirga will have its 1789 moment. ListenerX^TalkerX 23:28, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm late, but I've delacred it dead. Everything about it is now past-tense. Punky McPunkersen 11:34, 16 January 2012 (UTC)