User talk:GuyIncognito

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Welcome to RationalWikiWiki, GuyIncognito!!! Please see our policy on editing your own article, and why not tell us how you found the site. Any questions? Please see RationalWikiWiki Help.

Salutations, GuyIncognito, and welcome to the meta-meta-meta-wiki! Apologies for overlooking you until now. Hans Johnson _{I'll get my hans on it} 05:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Janitorship

You're a janitor now, which means you can now move, delete, merge, and hide revisions of pages. Hans Johnson _{I'll get my hans on it} 05:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Property"?

That's certainly a novel concept on a wiki. However, when a guy admits to harassing me on-line and uses my RL name to do so, I get a little put-out, y'know - Alison 07:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a policy at RW, user pages can only be edited by that user [1]. It's the policy on RWW too [2] If you've got a problem with something on Fd's user pages talk to Hans Johnson or another sysop, don't go editing it yoruself two seconds after you've made an account. GuyIncognito 00:42, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

On RW we have rules about personal information (real names) though & that is what Fd did, anyone SHOULD have removed that info without a second thought, including the offended person herself. Let's face it, Fall down should be banned from all civilised discourse until he shows himself to be of good character. Fat Tuesday 02:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Fat Tuesday that Alison, as a RationalWiki user, was quite within her rights to remove her "real name," although my reason for thinking so is due to the libelous nature of Fall down's statements. GuyIncognito should have used talk-pages to make his/her/its grievances known before making those reverts. But there are some points grounded in the "letter of the law" that I would like to make here:

1. Categorically, the privacy policy only prohibits revealing personal information of RationalWiki users. At the time Fall down posted Alison's real name here, she was not a RationalWiki user, only joining on January 14, 2009. So Fall down was definitely not in violation of this part of the policy in his initial postings of her name; I do not know our policy on ex post facto enforcements.
2. The privacy policy on non-RationalWiki users is that "Personal information regarding a living person should be limited to information which they themselves have released into the public domain," then listing a very broad manner of ways in which said release can be made, including "through a website they are associated with." As Phantom Hoover remarked on Alison's RationalWiki user talk-page, Alison has made her name quite public on Wikipedia. Furthermore, she has revealed herself here as that Alison by, i.a., making these disputed edits.
3. Changing her Wikipedia username and scrubbing the archives of her "real name," as Phantom Hoover asked her to stop doing on RationalWiki, does not constitute a retraction of this release of information; do we not still publish TheoryOfPractice's original username on this Wiki?
4. Therefore, Fall down is not in violation of the privacy policy, but the edits to his user page were justified by the libelous nature of that material.
5. GuyIncognito, since Alison joined RationalWiki nearly a month ago, and is presently a sysop there, it is hardly fair to say that she removed this information "two seconds after creating an account."
6. Also, a minor issue with how Alison removed information on the "socks" page. Those usernames are a matter of record, not a matter of Fall down posting an opinion here on this Wiki: there was never a user at RationalWiki, for example, entitled "Alison is a...," so her edits placed misinformation on the "socks" page, albeit of a very trivial sort. Fat Tuesday's edits have addressed this issue.

— ListenerX 06:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh come on FT and LX, the woman's done nothing on RW except whitewash her surname and talk on her talk page [3] She even posted Fd's real name in an edit comment, she's got some bloody nerve taking hers out, especialy out of somebody elses user page. She's only here to go after Fd, she only made sysop at RW after she outed herself here. She wouldn't have made sysop with those contributions unless Fd hated her. Alison barged in here all, "sod your policies, i'm a big shot at WP, I can do what I want and you better not stop me, I want to whitewash my surname!", and I tossed the book at her. This isn't WP Alison, we've got our own rules here, you don't like property on a wiki, sod off. GuyIncognito 08:00, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Guy, I haven't seen anywhere on RW or RWW saying that user pages are a user's "property". We say that they're that user's space to use, but there are restrictions on what they can do with it. I also haven't seen anywhere where Alison has implied "i'm a big shot at WP, I can do what I want and you better not stop me", so impugning her motives really doesn't help the issue. & Please check what "whitewash" means before using the term.

ListenerX, you're pointing to RW's privacy policy, but RWW has a privacy policy too. At the time Fall down posted those usernames here, Alison wasn't a user at RW or RWW, but now that she is, the situation changes somewhat. "If any RationalWiki user objects (here at RationalWikiWiki) to any personal details published about them, their complaint should be taken into consideration." So, the issue is only whether Alison's objection is reasonable: i.e. whether it's fair to remove her real name from being abused in the context of rape threat. I think it is. weaseLICIOuS ^{Bite Me} 11:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Rape threat? Surely not! I can state categorically that I would never rape a woman, not because it is wrong, but only because it would demonstrate a lack of self-control on my part. Fall down 11:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I have read through the RationalWikiWiki privacy policy and it seems as though Alison's actions were broadly in line with that. The only flies in the ointment might be that she had not made an objection here before removing the information, and did not make any attempt to use talk-pages to discuss the removal as encouraged; although the reasons seem fairly obvious to most of us, at least one user obviously misread her intentions.

GuyIncognito, after reading some of the pages to which you linked above, I can see where you might have gotten the idea about user pages being users' "property" (possibly our refereces to user talk pages as "community property" and False Flag's telling Fall down that his user page on this Wiki belongs to him?).

I do not, however, see where you got the idea that Alison joined to power-trip about her last name (after all, she did not start removing her last name until a month after she joined RationalWiki) or that she is undeserving of her demotion (they demote anyone who is not a vandal or a troll, as Phantom Hoover noted).

I agree with Weaselicious that this was quite out of line, and that our policies do not require us to harbor libel or threats of criminal activity. — ListenerX 23:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay I'm sorry I said she was "power-tripping" as LX called it, I can't prove that, I'd tipped a few at that point and I was pissed off about Alison breaking the rules (False Flag said users pages belong to them and I trusted it, it's a bureaucrat, unlike FT and you, LX, you aren't even a janitor).

Rape threat Weasel? Alison has a mugshot, her city, her employers STILL ON HER wp PAGE [4] if her problem was only with the rape threat she'd take that stuff down. Alison didn't say anything about Fd's rape threat when she whitewashed her surname (whitewash means covering up for a blunder, like tthrowing her surname all over WP in the first place) the only thing she said was she didn't like Fd using her surname and she even wiped it from his main page where he wasn't making any rape threats and then after I rv'd she took it back out saying she didn't appreciate being called a whore, didn't mention the rape threat all through that. GuyIncognito 05:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Alison is really the one to whom you should apologize, but she does not look to be following this thread. Perhaps by way of reparation you could make an unbiased stub-page about her and keep an eye on it so that Fall down does not introduce her last name to it.

If indeed drink was the cause of your outburst, I shall leave you with these words of wisdom:

Less good than belief would have it

Is mead for the sons of men:

A man knows less the more he drinks,

Becomes a befuddled fool.

—Havamal 12

— ListenerX 06:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Again I made no rape threat. The word 'whore' is not libellous, it's just a random insult. Fall down 11:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

LX, WTF?? Do you work for the WNPTU or somethign? GuyIncognito 07:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

What, exactly, is the "WNPTU"? — ListenerX 07:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to say the WCTU, except you aren't C are you LX? What are you quoting scripture at me for?? GuyIncognito 06:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah. Firstly, according to an article I just read [5] I actually practice mesopaganism, so "neopagan," assuming that that is what NP stands for, is not an accurate descriptor at all; secondly, I am not "quoting scripture" at you, in the Christian sense, at least. It is just advice, that is all; Odin did not have to say it for it to be good advice. I mention this idea in my essay. — ListenerX 07:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

You're talking boloney LX, Christains think the same thing about their little Bible quotes, you all just have to quote scripture everywheer you go. GuyIncognito 19:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I disagree, but this is not quite the forum for such debates. You should take it to my essay's talk-page on RationalWiki. — ListenerX 17:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)